In the previous Avalon vs Range Rover post I concluded the Range Rover is a fantastic truck or car and when you have another car the issues are minimized. In this post I’m going to look at the Jaguar F-Type vs the Range Rover. Since Ford ownership Jaguar and Land Rover/Range Rover have been forced to work together in the Premier Auto Group, they were sold together to TATA. Therefore new Jaguars and Range Rovers share engines, drive train philosophy and other bits.
I’ve seen more than one person on the Range Rover forums go from an Range Rover to an Avalon. Usually from an older out of warranty Rover to a newer Toyota. I pondered it for a bit. TBH I picked up a Toyota Avalon as well as sort of an interim car until I can get into an L405. I think there are several reasons for such a hop, but not all of them materialize to be a positive.
- Range Rover buyers want a nice interior. While the Toyota Avalon and ES350 are not on the same level as a Range Rover even a P38 or Classic, they are better than the average “Camry.”
- Range Rover owners get burned out by some nagging issues, or even big ones and may want a reprieve with a “Reliable” car.
- My last three Range Rovers had water ingress issues, from the roof, even though they were waded a lot. So I bought a 2016 Avalon without a sunroof, the XLE. It still leaked, and it seems like any standing water you drive through will make the floor wet, even an inch.
- My Toyota Avalon keys fell apart.
- I think the interior is a bit tougher and the exterior are both tougher on the Range Rover
- But my Avalon always starts, even when I’ve left it in a parking lot in Illinois for a 8 weeks.
- So The Toyota definitely has its issues, however, they are not “big issues”
- The Toyota Avalon is much less “solid” feeling than a Range Rover. There are many rattles and build issues whereas a Range Rover, particularly newer ones feel solid the Toyota feels a bit, rattly.
- Driving in my Dads Maserati, Q5, and Jaguar today I noticed the Maserati also feels like the Toyota where as the other cars absorb bumps without rattles the Maserati and Toyota let you know the road is rough with various interior cabin noises.
- I think the real moral of the story is buy a Range Rover with a warranty and you’ll be happy with a combination of reliability and luxury in a way that a Range Rover or a Toyota can’t provide, unless you own both the Toyota/Lexus and a Range Rover, which isn’t a bad combination either, as I owned a Prius and Range Rover combo for quite some time.
- The upholstery is really different. One of the things I miss most in the Range Rover is how soft and nice the steering wheel is. Something subtle but very tactile, the leather wrapped Avalon steering wheel is hard, the Range Rover steering wheel is soft and supple.
- The leather seats in the newer Avalon are hard, in the Range Rover they are supportive and comfortable.
My takeaway is that you’ll always regret selling your Range Rover. They are just endearing cars, even when they are not great. I look back at the sale of my Range Rovers as I do a break up, or perhaps selling a prized Rolex. Whereas a Toyota will likely live beyond the time you want to have it.
Cliff’s Unofficial L322 ‘Full Fat’ Range Rover Buyers Guide Releases Tomorrow! Thanks everyone who has pre-ordered the book. Just a quick heads up though, Amazon told me I had until the 26th to make changes, but locked me out on the 26th. SO I cannot update the book until it goes live, but we have an update in the pipeline. Therefore there will be a quickly released update within the next few days and I hope everyone downloads that version because it is more finished.
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We took a Range Rover from Denver to LA to Denver to Washington DC, to Rehobeth Beach, DE, to Greenwich, CT and back to Rehobeth Beach then all the way back to Denver. This was a massive trip going from the West Coast, Disney Land, Las Vegas, all the way to Rehobeth Beach, DE which is a beautiful small beach town without sales taxes and with great shopping.
This trip was massive, going through death valley in 129 degree start and stop traffic the Range Rover didn’t give up. Thank God!
In the middle of nowhere, no cell phone service, the desert the Range Rover drove as she should. The only casualty another dash light in addition to the common RR CEL. The red battery signal which forebodes the ides of march for your alternator. She is still running.
We have done this trip in pieces but never within a week of each leg. This trip was huge. In fact this trip made me realize it is time to write an Range Rover Off Road ebook. Look for
it soonit on Amazon now!
The Range Rover has always featured innovated 4 wheel drive systems but there are many versions of these drive systems, in addition to the host of other Land Rover off road technology.
The first thing to note is that 2wd needs 1 open differential to ensure power is delivered smoothly around corners. This also means that if one of those wheels has no traction the open differential sends all of the power to the wheel with the most slip!
An all wheel drive system adds two more open differentials, one in the center between the fore and aft and two open differentials on each axel. In this system again the power will go to the wheel with the most slip. So basically if one wheel has no traction you still aren’t moving by positive power train action.
A permanent 4wd system like those employed on range rovers provide a viscous coupling in the p38a, a torsen in the 2003-2005 Range Rover, and electronic locking in the 2006-on. The point of the (partially) locked center differential is that some power will be sent to the opposing axel so if one wheel has no traction you will still be able to move. Or if both front or both rear wheels have no or limited traction you will be able to move forward, unless truly no traction is provided and then you would need a locker, or an electronic locker.
A main difference between the h1 and the hmmvee is the differentials in the H1 are torsens and the hmmvee had lockers. The G500 also has 3 lockers.
A 4wd system implies a true center locking center differential and a low range, although new gearing and gearboxes have made some off-roading available without low range.